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Re: Do you have any idea how much it might cost?

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:43 pm
by gong_guy
ForumAdmin wrote: I don't know as this is a new initiative for Exetel and we have only started the process of determining what could be possible.
If I can ask a technical question... if it is commercially sensitive then please ignore it.

I understand how you can not charge for data from Exetel to the customer from your data center but wouldn't hundreds or thousands of people watching 1MBit IP TV ALL night (as people do) flood the exchange backhaul links?

Just curious, is this even a consideration these days?

From my experience backhaul capacity is one of the big hassles with ADSL

Re: Do you have any idea how much it might cost?

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:38 pm
by ForumAdmin
gong_guy wrote:
ForumAdmin wrote: I don't know as this is a new initiative for Exetel and we have only started the process of determining what could be possible.
If I can ask a technical question... if it is commercially sensitive then please ignore it.

I understand how you can not charge for data from Exetel to the customer from your data center but wouldn't hundreds or thousands of people watching 1MBit IP TV ALL night (as people do) flood the exchange backhaul links?

Just curious, is this even a consideration these days?

From my experience backhaul capacity is one of the big hassles with ADSL
Backhaul issues will increasingly become more intrusive as this 'wave' of graphics intensive applications become more widely used - that is usually dealt with in the carrier's wholesale agreements under 'acceptable usage' clauses.

Certainly Telstra appeared to be surprised about the impact of their release of 'unlimited' ADSL1 which took them three months to get back on track and, presumably, that was compounded by their own release of ADSL2.

However the FTTN and similar initiatives are designed to overcome this backhaul issue in the, hopefully not too distant, future.

In the mean time I would anticipate that the use of IPTV will be in the tens of thousands of users at 1.2 mbps so, out of 2,500,000+ ADSL users round Australia, there would be little impact on Telstra's network.

It will be interesting to see how the other aspiring network deployers handle these considerations.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:38 pm
by lee
TPG is offering its ADSL2+ customers (at selected IPTV enabled exchanges) FREE IPTV with their broadband connections.
I wonder Exetel is going to do the same?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:55 pm
by Klaas
lee wrote:TPG is offering its ADSL2+ customers (at selected IPTV enabled exchanges) FREE IPTV with their broadband connections.
I wonder Exetel is going to do the same?
TPG are only offering it as a trial at this point in time, and their webpage states that additional channels (both free and subscription based) will be added later. If you're going to quote their website, you want to include all of the quote:

"TPG is offering its ADSL2+ customers (at selected IPTV enabled exchanges) FREE IPTV Trial with their broadband connections. "

http://www.tpg.com.au/iptv/

This is similar to what Exetel are currently doing - offering a free trial, with charges to be established later.

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:15 pm
by DonkyKong
Servers down atm?
First time i've tried and neither mms://durian.exetel.com.au/ExetelTV or rtsp://durian.exetel.com.au/ExetelTV worked in VLC or WMP

DK

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:03 pm
by eecchhoo
Yeah i am unable to connect to the mms or rstp address either..

Is there any setting that need to be configured on the Mediaplayer 11?

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:25 pm
by CLoSeR
The stream appears to be offline, there are no special settings in WMP to make it work.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:48 am
by brianlhm
It will be interesting to see how much would TVB charge for redistributing their TV programs.

It is because in all the capital cities in Australia, TVB has their own satellite TV broadcast network charge from around $45 to $75, which depended on do you have to rent a satellite dish from them. And this price, if I am right and have to ask my friend to confirm, included 12 channels which broadcast in duel language (Cantonese and Mandarin).

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:01 am
by ForumAdmin
brianlhm wrote:It will be interesting to see how much would TVB charge for redistributing their TV programs.

It is because in all the capital cities in Australia, TVB has their own satellite TV broadcast network charge from around $45 to $75, which depended on do you have to rent a satellite dish from them. And this price, if I am right and have to ask my friend to confirm, included 12 channels which broadcast in duel language (Cantonese and Mandarin).
TVB definitely charge for the service plus the cost of the dish/installation.

As far as I know all other TV networks make charges for their services - how else does a commercial entity stay in business?

Some independent channels make no/low charges to the distributor for their channel as they make their money from advertising or from the services inherent in the service (Bloombergs springs to mind) or they are funded by some other source (their government) and want a wider audience to continue to justify their funding.

The networks that Exetel is currently in discussions with all charge for their services in Australia and IPTV will be used, if it's used, to eliminate the dish installation and purchase/rental costs and other dish related issues.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:22 am
by SysAdmin
CLoSeR wrote:The stream appears to be offline, there are no special settings in WMP to make it work.
This is correct. Hardware failure at the suppliers end. Expected ETA is within 1-2 days.

Andrew

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:49 pm
by jintao
Is it counted into download quota during this stage?

I think the resolution is acceptable for normal TV viewing, however the whole video appears to be washed out on either my laptop or TV. Is there anywhere in media play to adjust brightness? Thanks.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:39 pm
by eecchhoo
THe sound quality is acceptable but the color on the video is not sharp enough and too bright.

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 8:51 pm
by Jake
Klaas wrote:
lee wrote:TPG is offering its ADSL2+ customers (at selected IPTV enabled exchanges) FREE IPTV with their broadband connections.
I wonder Exetel is going to do the same?
TPG are only offering it as a trial at this point in time, and their webpage states that additional channels (both free and subscription based) will be added later. If you're going to quote their website, you want to include all of the quote:

"TPG is offering its ADSL2+ customers (at selected IPTV enabled exchanges) FREE IPTV Trial with their broadband connections. "

http://www.tpg.com.au/iptv/

This is similar to what Exetel are currently doing - offering a free trial, with charges to be established later.

but TPG is offering more channels :

DW
Bloomberg
Aljazeera
TV5
SCTV
Channel NewsAsia
Russia Today
TRT

and more : http://www.tpg.com.au/iptv/channel_desc.php

Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:05 pm
by Kronau
I like the quality - about TV quality.

The quality is like a DVD movie compressed to a 700mb size - for me highly acceptable.

I would like to use such a service.

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:57 am
by gstark
eecchhoo wrote:THe sound quality is acceptable but the color on the video is not sharp enough and too bright.
Sound quality is certainly acceptable, but for me - ADSL2+ - the video freezes after a few seconds, and fails to reestablish itself.