Perth Routing...

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by James » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:24 pm

repeatedlove wrote:I was unaware of this information in user facilities but will further investigate.

But this new POP which is coming soon will affect Optus adsl2 customers and give them better ping? Currently Optus adsl2 and PTL are going trace route to Sydney right?
There is no new PoP, we are j ust adding a new Optus link to the existing PoP, but it will lower latency to Perth based game servers/etc for inc phone and naked DSL2 customers with us when active.

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:32 pm

Sorry James,

My misunderstanding/selective reading.

Okay so when this cross connect thing comes in it will affect Optus INC and NAK plans. You say Australian game servers - well I play Xbox live and AFAIK there are no servers here only o/s or P2P mode where a friend acts as the server/host???

The main dilema I have is to play with my friends in Perth with minimal latency. they are with iiNet whihc is based in Perth. My question then is should I opt for the apparently superior PTL network or go on the INC/NAK plan on the Optus network and wait for the adsl2 cross connect? Keeping in mind that there are no gaming servers in Australia AFAIK for Xbox Live 360.

Or could I just swap over? is there any fee in changing between INC/NAK AND/OR PTL? Would this involve setup fees of $40 for INC/NAK and $90 for PTL

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by James » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:40 pm

repeatedlove wrote:Sorry James,

My misunderstanding/selective reading.

Okay so when this cross connect thing comes in it will affect Optus INC and NAK plans. You say Australian game servers - well I play Xbox live and AFAIK there are no servers here only o/s or P2P mode where a friend acts as the server/host???

The main dilema I have is to play with my friends in Perth with minimal latency. they are with iiNet whihc is based in Perth. My question then is should I opt for the apparently superior PTL network or go on the INC/NAK plan on the Optus network and wait for the adsl2 cross connect? Keeping in mind that there are no gaming servers in Australia AFAIK for Xbox Live 360.

Or could I just swap over? is there any fee in changing between INC/NAK AND/OR PTL? Would this involve setup fees of $40 for INC/NAK and $90 for PTL

Hi,

There is no difference in the reliability/quality of the OPtus/AAPT products.

If you want to play games with your friends in Perth you should wait until the ADSL2+ x-connect with Optus is up and running.

James

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:17 pm

James wrote:
Hi,

There is no difference in the reliability/quality of the OPtus/AAPT products.

If you want to play games with your friends in Perth you should wait until the ADSL2+ x-connect with Optus is up and running.

James
I was under the impression that AAPT (PTL) product was of superiour quality. So there is no difference at all, then why the price difference?

I have already requested Telstra to activate my line so I may as well join up on Optus INC/NAK plan now in anticipation of the x-connect or risk missing out on available ports.

So can you confirm the likelyhood that this x-connect will improve latency for my Xbox Live experience while playing friends in Perth who go through iiNet? (based in Perth)

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by James » Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:40 pm

repeatedlove wrote:
James wrote:
Hi,

There is no difference in the reliability/quality of the OPtus/AAPT products.

If you want to play games with your friends in Perth you should wait until the ADSL2+ x-connect with Optus is up and running.

James
I was under the impression that AAPT (PTL) product was of superiour quality. So there is no difference at all, then why the price difference?

I have already requested Telstra to activate my line so I may as well join up on Optus INC/NAK plan now in anticipation of the x-connect or risk missing out on available ports.

So can you confirm the likelyhood that this x-connect will improve latency for my Xbox Live experience while playing friends in Perth who go through iiNet? (based in Perth)
Well, i've used both and can't tell the difference, the price difference is due to teh different prices AAPT/Optus charge us.

It would definitely improve the transite to your friends in Perth, as the traffic would stay withint he same state, not go to Sydney then back.

James

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:06 pm

Excellent

Thanks a lot James.

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:53 pm

I have joined Exetel now and am on 12Mb down and 812kbps up which is great. It's a shame although I am 1000m from the exchange my actual line distance is 2.2km but these speeds are great.

Just waiting on the Optus link to be put in hope that is sometime soon or is there anywhere I can check for further information in Members section?

I do have one issue. I live in Perth obviously and when I ping my mate in Perth I get 176ms even when i ping iiNet (www.iinet.net.au), who are also based in Perth I get 176ms. I have made sure I am not downloading and all applications are closed.

However when my friend, who is on iiNet, pings me on Exetel he gets 76ms. How is this?

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by James » Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:57 pm

repeatedlove wrote:I have joined Exetel now and am on 12Mb down and 812kbps up which is great. It's a shame although I am 1000m from the exchange my actual line distance is 2.2km but these speeds are great.

Just waiting on the Optus link to be put in hope that is sometime soon or is there anywhere I can check for further information in Members section?

I do have one issue. I live in Perth obviously and when I ping my mate in Perth I get 176ms even when i ping iiNet (http://www.iinet.net.au), who are also based in Perth I get 176ms. I have made sure I am not downloading and all applications are closed.

However when my friend, who is on iiNet, pings me on Exetel he gets 76ms. How is this?
Get him to do a tracert.

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:39 am

Tracing route to MY IP ADDRESS.static.exetel.com.au [MY IP ADDRESS]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 2 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms nexthop.wa.ii.net [203.59.14.16]
3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms gi2-3.per-qv1-bdr2.iinet.net.au [203.215.4.30]
4 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms po2.per-qv1-bdr1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.130]
5 73 ms 75 ms 72 ms gi15-1-0.syd-ult-core1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.2]
6 73 ms 73 ms 73 ms as10143.sydney.pipenetworks.com [218.100.2.16]
7 79 ms * * 38.2.233.220.static.exetel.com.au [220.233.2.38]
8 75 ms 75 ms 77 ms 45.2.233.220.static.exetel.com.au [220.233.2.45]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 175 ms 174 ms 173 ms MY IP ADDRESS.static.exetel.com.au [MY IP ADDRESS]
Trace complete.

I am 1000m from exchange straight line but line distance is 2 - 2.2km.

Operational Mode G.Dmt.BisPlus
Annex Type AnnexA
Upstream 812900
Downstream 11915000
Elapsed Time 0 day 0 hr 21 min 48 sec
SNR Margin(Upstream) 20.5 dB
SNR Margin(Downstream) 12.15 dB
Line Attenuation(Upstream) 16.0 dB
Line Attenuation(Downstream) 32.5 dB
CRC Errors(Upstream) 0
CRC Errors(Downstream) 0

I was playing just then and my lag was terrible.

2 Questions - Do Exetel have an option where I can sacrifice ahigh sync speed to improve my latency?

&

Any update on the Perth link thing?

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by WilliamC » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:59 pm

No there is no option to sacrifice sync rate for lower latency.

There is no ETA on the Optus ADSL2 link in Perth.

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Fri Oct 02, 2009 6:13 pm

James wrote:Get him to do a tracert.
I was asked to put up my mates tracert to my IP and I did so. I was hoping for an answer/solution/comment in that regard. Obviously there is the line quality argument and I would have to pay a technician to come out and put in another line or run further tests.

My router speeds are great and would not warrant any further action on Exetel's part, that's fair enough, but I was just asking about the ping.

Also can I find further information regarding the Perth Optus ADSL2 link in Members facilities or elsewhere. Has this been made as an official statement by Exetel or is it just heresay and conjecture?

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by ForumAdmin » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:37 pm

Exetel expect to install Optus ADSL direct connects to the Perth PoP before Christmas.

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:25 am

James wrote:
repeatedlove wrote:I have joined Exetel now and am on 12Mb down and 812kbps up which is great. It's a shame although I am 1000m from the exchange my actual line distance is 2.2km but these speeds are great.

Just waiting on the Optus link to be put in hope that is sometime soon or is there anywhere I can check for further information in Members section?

I do have one issue. I live in Perth obviously and when I ping my mate in Perth I get 176ms even when i ping iiNet (http://www.iinet.net.au), who are also based in Perth I get 176ms. I have made sure I am not downloading and all applications are closed.

However when my friend, who is on iiNet, pings me on Exetel he gets 76ms. How is this?
Get him to do a tracert.
Tracing route to MY IP ADDRESS.static.exetel.com.au [MY IP ADDRESS]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 2 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms nexthop.wa.ii.net [203.59.14.16]
3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms gi2-3.per-qv1-bdr2.iinet.net.au [203.215.4.30]
4 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms po2.per-qv1-bdr1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.130]
5 73 ms 75 ms 72 ms gi15-1-0.syd-ult-core1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.2]
6 73 ms 73 ms 73 ms as10143.sydney.pipenetworks.com [218.100.2.16]
7 79 ms * * 38.2.233.220.static.exetel.com.au [220.233.2.38]
8 75 ms 75 ms 77 ms 45.2.233.220.static.exetel.com.au [220.233.2.45]
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 175 ms 174 ms 173 ms MY IP ADDRESS.static.exetel.com.au [MY IP ADDRESS]
Trace complete.

^^^ trace route as requested by James

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by austdata » Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:08 am

repeatedlove wrote: 3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms gi2-3.per-qv1-bdr2.iinet.net.au [203.215.4.30]
4 76 ms 76 ms 76 ms po2.per-qv1-bdr1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.130]
5 73 ms 75 ms 72 ms gi15-1-0.syd-ult-core1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.2]
6 73 ms 73 ms 73 ms as10143.sydney.pipenetworks.com [218.100.2.16]
Step 3 is inside the iiNet network and it is a 16ms ping, it then drops to 76ms. I assume that the gateway "per-qv1-bdr1.iinet.net.au" is physically located in Sydney but directs traffic to Perth (1).

How bizarre, iiNet seem to be routing it via Sydney. It is probably more appropriate for your mate to ask iiNet "why is it so?"

Cheers,

Mike

(1) Maybe not, the trace from my computer is kind of weird too.

Code: Select all

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.254
  2    28 ms    28 ms    28 ms  209.2.96.58.static.exetel.com.au [58.96.2.209]
  3    28 ms    27 ms    27 ms  2.2.96.58.static.exetel.com.au [58.96.2.2]
  4    27 ms    28 ms    27 ms  as4802.melbourne.pipenetworks.com [218.100.13.12]
  5    99 ms   100 ms    99 ms  gi15-1-4.syd-mas-core1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.76]
  6    99 ms   100 ms   100 ms  ge4-4.per-qv1-bdr2.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.67]
  7    99 ms   100 ms    99 ms  po2.per-qv1-bdr1.iinet.net.au [203.215.20.130]
Exetel and Pipe try to go directly but iiNet jumps around again (Melbourne to Perth via Sydney? Via Adelaide I can understand). Now that's weird.
The views I present here are not necessarily those from my brain.
Exetel's support number outside Sydney: 1300 788 141 NOTE: I do not work for Exetel.

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Re: Perth Routing...

Post by repeatedlove » Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:30 am

So what can I do now? Follow up with friend, iiNet, xetel.

Could a forum admin elaborate please.

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