Alright, your point. "encouraging" was a poor choice of word. "tacitly allowing and accepting" maybe? Not quite what I'm after because I also wanted to make the point that it is used as a competitive point of difference between ISPs so it is a little more than "tacit acceptance", even if it is a little less than "encouraging". Anyway, you know what I'm driving at.CoreyPlover wrote:You should not blame others for "encouraging" something when they are simply providing the service.
Yeah, yeah. Nothing is impossible. Physics can even tell you the probability of all the air in my room right now suddenly ending up in one corner leaving me asphyxiating. I'm not saying the probability of using 60GB off peak legally is quite as small as that, but, as you say, you get the drift.CoreyPlover wrote:It is not "impossible", as two forum respondants have already indicated. I'm sure you meant "unlikely"
Completely agree with everything there. "Perceived anonymity" and "perceived immunity" essentially combine to form my "numbers" argument - they'll never get me because even though they can trace me and/or prosecute me, why would they pick me rather than the gazillion others. As you say, this is changing as it becomes easier and easier for automated processes to "make the bust" and maybe law changes to allow the bust to be made.CoreyPlover wrote:I think there are three main drivers of copyright infringement in society today:
* monetary gains (not having to pay for movies, DVDs or CDs)
* perceived anonymity (users mistakenly think that they cannot be traced, when in fact it is quite trivial to track down infringing users).
* perceived immunity (the argument that "they never target me because I'm too little in the grand scheme of piracy")
You can be assured that over time, these last two drivers will disappear as the processes become more and more automated (not just in Exetel but worldwide)
But, as we have seen from the evolution of Napster->Kazaa->BT->eMule the pirates will probably stay one step ahead in the game. Or, if they fall behind, it won't be for long. Look at all the failed attempts that have fallen by the roadside:
Apple II games using data on half tracks - cracked quickly by Locksmith.
DVD encryption - a month or two to crack.
DVD Region Encoding - I still laugh at the thought of how low the managerial IQ levels must have been to think of that gem.
SecuRom, SafeDisk et al - all useless within a month or two. Safedisk 4 took a little longer.
Almost every gaming console - mod chipped within a year. (Congrats to PS3 though, 2 years in and still not broken)
BluRay encryption - cracked.
DRM - Don't make me laugh. Even though I think its still uncracked the response from users defeated it without the need for the hackers.
So its only a matter of time before a better P2P protocol is developed with no need for any tracker maintaining the swarm's IP addresses. I see a few problems in establishing that the guy at the other end is a genuine thief and not a copyright cop but a bit of imagination will solve that problem.
Well I can't make those numbers add up to very much, 1 hour episode of TV is less than a GB but alright maybe you do use close to 60GB of legal content. I'm impressed that you have the time to absorb all of that. I'd never heard of revision3.com so I checked it out. Don't take this as insulting, I've got some weird tastes myself, but I don't think anyone would classify this as mainstream content that everybody is dying to see. You are obviously unusual in your tastes and in your morals. You have never been even the slightest bit tempted? All you have to do is press that button and get that really cool game/movie that you've had your eye on? What about that $100 bill on the pavement, did you stop to pick that up? If so, you probably said "Does this belong to anybody?" And then some bastard like me lied through their teeth and said "Yeah that's mine, ta". Anyway, good for you - you have dented my faith in the lowness of human nature.peterh_oz wrote:Everything I quoted is a "download now, watch later" product, other than internet radio.
Most "internet tv" is downloadable. EVERY show on revision3.com is downloadable.
Ever heard of video podcasts?
I download LEGALLY Good News Week every week from channel 10.
I also download some shows (video and audio) from the ABC - LEGALLY.
That's not at all what I said, implied or is even remotely related to the thrust of my argument. The point was that in traffic I am protected by numbers, there are too many people to bust, the same as with pirating.peterh_oz wrote: So, using your analogy, EVERY CAR on the road should be speed limited to 100kph. No-one *should* go over the limit, so anyone who builds a car which CAN, is aiding people in breaking the law.
By the way, have you seen the ads from the car manufacturers? Car going really fast on some beautiful country road somewhere? A Skyline GTR has 300+kW of power, goes 0-100 in a femtofart. Funnily enough I've never seen one towing a van.
In fact, I'd say it was a perfect analogy, the ISPs are advertising in the same way the car manufacturers do - reading between the lines of those car ads:
"this car can really hump. But we're not saying that you take it to some nice quiet out of the way place to see what she can do. No. We're just showing you what it could do if you were of that mind"
And between the lines of the ISP ads:
"this plan goes really fast and you can download heaps. Now we're not suggesting that you use it for illegal purposes. But if you did, gee you'd get heaps of stuff"
Now where did that come from? I don't have a perfect driving record. I get 'done', on average, once every two years for a 3 pointer, just like most other people I talk to. I've been particularly lucky for the last 5 years. I've probably got a 6 pointer waiting for me around the next corner, I'm getting paranoid now - I'm "due".peterh_oz wrote: And I'm not sure how speeding in Sydney's blocked traffic jams helps, but if you think it does, enjoy your licence cos you will get caught one day,
And I hope you're not the type who write to protest "I've got a perfect driving record, please let me off". By your own admittance, you have a perfect driving record because you've been lucky, not lawful.
Obviously I'm not talking about Sydney's permanent parking lots. I'm talking about roads at peak hour that still sort of move - Mona Vale Rd through St Ives, Penshurst St and Willoughby Rd through Chatswood West if you want particular examples that I drive or have driven every morning, there's plenty of others, they're not all as perenially bad as the M5.
My point was that everywhere I drive in Sydney I HAVE to drive faster than the speed limit - I'm a nuisance otherwise, because I'm out of step with the rest. I'll never get caught in the daily grind because I've never even seen a cop on the road at that time, they know to stay away because their very presence causes traffic chaos with everyone slamming on the anchors at the first sign of a flashing light (when I do get 'done' its late at night or some other odd time when I'm not concentrating as hard as I should be).
Again, the analogy to pirating, protection by numbers. Now, as Corey rightly said that is changing with automation. Ready to stretch the analogy even further . How about this then? Automation in traffic control with speed cameras; slowed things down for a bit, now we all know where they are, we hit the brakes just before the camera, and take off again like startled rabbits a few metres later. Same deal with the pirates, it'll slow down for a bit but the "next big thing" won't be far away.