Change to AUP - Section (d)

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by Tazz » Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:47 pm

Far Queue wrote:
david256 wrote:
ozblogger wrote:I personally believe Exetel should reduce the off peak times to 4am-8am just for the "No Charge Plans" just as other isp's do.
God no. The larger off-peak period was the main reason I chose Exetel over TPG.
Totally agree, the longer the offpeak the less likely you will use too much in the peak period.

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by Bruce Evans » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:21 am

I wonder if Exetel has considered whether it would be possible, practical or helpful to shorten the off-peak time period just for heavy downloaders after they've exceeded a pre-determined limit. That way the "wasted" bandwidth could be made use of whatever time it's available. The heavy downloaders would simply "mop up" the wasted bandwidth that nobody else wants; and they could be slowed down when it's nearly all used up.

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by ForumAdmin » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:59 pm

Bruce Evans wrote:I wonder if Exetel has considered whether it would be possible, practical or helpful to shorten the off-peak time period just for heavy downloaders after they've exceeded a pre-determined limit. That way the "wasted" bandwidth could be made use of whatever time it's available. The heavy downloaders would simply "mop up" the wasted bandwidth that nobody else wants; and they could be slowed down when it's nearly all used up.
I may be exaggerating but I think we have considered every combination of every option over the past almost six years.

Over time we have reduced the percentage of heavy down loaders who use our ADSL services from around 6% to less than 2% and hopefully that trend will continue.

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by cdonges » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:46 pm

vk3xem wrote:If you are asked to change plans or churn then that's the way it goes.
Can't change plans, I am on the highest adsl1 plan.

I won't be asked to leave. I plan to use every GB I am allowed, not 1 less or more!

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by David R » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:50 pm

Bruce Evans makes a valid point. If they can't (the >80 gb users) be made to pay 1 $ per gigabyte then perhaps a narrower timeslot to drive them out. See, ADSL 2 with enough threads opened at once is like 10 times capacity of ADSl1 - therefore, these are perfect clients for soaking up what otherwise is dead inside a, say, 4 am to 6 am timeslot

Did the '500 gb November user' subscribe to a 5 gb plan by any chance :wink:

Wouldn't he be happy with 1 /6 of that??
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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by alinos » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:13 am

vk3xem wrote:
Bruce Evans wrote:I wonder if Exetel has considered whether it would be possible, practical or helpful to shorten the off-peak time period just for heavy downloaders after they've exceeded a pre-determined limit. That way the "wasted" bandwidth could be made use of whatever time it's available. The heavy downloaders would simply "mop up" the wasted bandwidth that nobody else wants; and they could be slowed down when it's nearly all used up.
Why should the leeches be allowed to "mop up" anything, bandwidth is there to share and not have every last drop soaked up by these abusers. I am all for Exetel, giving this scum the option of going over to a PAID plan or looking for another provider that will welcome them.

um forgive me if im wrong the whole idea of the uncharged plans was to allow the unused bandwidth to be used up

now whether or not the heavy users are using up the last of it is one of the reasons why a mix and match approach would be cool tho in practice it would never be feasible

say $20 for the connection then for peak downloads you say like $5 for 6 gb or wahteva in incrimients of dollars per GB for peak and do the same for off peak
again probably not feasable as costs and stuff would be all over the place but its one of those things where the user can tailor there plan to suit what they would like and if exetel didnt want higher end users clogging up the network it would be a simple as you move past 60 the value per GB decreses so if it was EG 1 per GB before it goes to a 1.20

but as the forum admin said exetel is a company and they would be running feasability tests on all sorts of ideas to being in more customers and increase there services


realistically if the fair use policy changes had come in on day one the argument probably woulda been small anyway although im sure there'd still be people who wished they had been allowed to stay on the simple 60GB plan

[@David[/b] that guy has to be on the ADSL2 plan, to download that much and as such it can only be done on the 5GB plan ADSL2+ plan

i was actually surprised that they offered it on ADSL2 i woulda figured anyone on a 5gb plan is either torret boxxing or they dont use alot of internets in which case the old 60GB limit which still applies to all the ADSL2 plans woulda been fine for them
ADSL1 can download tops 220 a month in the off peak i think thats if you have like a 170kb/s download rate for every second of the 30 days
ADSL@ by comparison if i say you get 1Mb/s some will be higher others lower can get about 1.2TB a month downloaded which again is why im surprised they didtn see a case where someone tried to download that much Porn

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by Ravenous » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:15 pm

Couple of suggestions (sorry if they already have been suggested):

*Reset off-peak meter from 'No charge' to the 3xAvg limit (79.5 GB) and update it when required instead of having it noted underneath - it is ambiguous. I use a third party usage meter and I would like to have the current 3xAvg limit broadcast.

*The residential ADSL pages for New/Churn Users should have the current 3xAvg limit disclosed upfront so that they can make an informed decision on whether to choose exetel or not.

Judging by the reaction in this thread and in other fora, more clear information about 'No Charge' definition is required so that a one-eye person with cataract can find it and a that second grader can understand it. :lol:

Very impressed with the plans as they stand, shortly will become a "new" ADSL customer after a move to QLD. Moving out of share accomodation with exetel ADSL. :D

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by ozblogger » Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:39 pm

So far so good.
Curious to see what the "Avg. X 3" limit will be for Dec. 2009

Keep up the good work Exetel :D

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by ForumAdmin » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:18 pm

alinos wrote: im surprised they didtn see a case where someone tried to download that much Porn
...because we didn't realise there are such sad people in the world.

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by ForumAdmin » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:19 pm

David R wrote:Bruce Evans makes a valid point. If they can't (the >80 gb users) be made to pay 1 $ per gigabyte then perhaps a narrower timeslot to drive them out. See, ADSL 2 with enough threads opened at once is like 10 times capacity of ADSl1 - therefore, these are perfect clients for soaking up what otherwise is dead inside a, say, 4 am to 6 am timeslot

Did the '500 gb November user' subscribe to a 5 gb plan by any chance :wink:

Wouldn't he be happy with 1 /6 of that??
....yes - and who knows?

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by cdonges » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:28 pm

ForumAdmin wrote:...because we didn't realise there are such sad people in the world.
:(

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by alinos » Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:39 pm

ForumAdmin wrote:
alinos wrote: im surprised they didtn see a case where someone tried to download that much Porn
...because we didn't realise there are such sad people in the world.
haha really with 80% of the internet being porn

it was in jest tho but i would be intrigued to see what the 500GB user actually downloaded tho i mean surely there comes a point where the stuff your downloading becomes useless in the month youve downloaded

ie based off a 350MB 40 min episode of tv to hit a 500GB mark purely off that youd have nrly 40 days worth of TV to watch :( although i expect that if your downloading that much youd be going for high quality stuff but none the less its still gonna be an large amount of stuff you couldnt use

and there arent enough linux Iso's around

ahh well the months nrly up anyways, and what i want to get finished off my steam stuff is nrly done

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by David R » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:06 pm

Some basic segmentation into user groups could add colour, and flavour, by utilizing "time bands" effectively:
  • 'timeslot 1' "Slow slugs" Off Peak
    = 256k/512k/1536k,&*maybe* 8192k/ADSL2-user group, 12 am to pm (default) = 12 hours
    Acceptable to 3 x average, < 90 gb /notional 0.6 Mbps per user

    'timeslot 2' "Swift Kick " O/P
    = ADSL2/8192k-group, available 2 am to 8 am =6 hours,
    Acceptable to 2 x average, < 60 gb /notional 0.8 Mbps per user

    'timeslot 3' "Fly-by-Night" O/P
    = ADSL2/8192 'users', 4 am to 6 am, period =2 hours
    Acceptable to booted, < 150 gb /notional 6 Mbps per user

    All options 'uncharged'..
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  • Organic system
  • Exetel can intervene, occasionally, directing users to timeslots appropriate to end usages-issuing block page "advisories";
  • while individuals decide what is valuable to themselves time vs gigabytes .
12 hours for *everyone, everyday* - may be getting a bit past use by.
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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by Old Flame » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:52 pm

David R wrote:= 256k/512k/1536k,&*maybe* 8192k/ADSL2-user group, 12 am to pm (default) = 12 hours
Just interested to know if you fall into this category or not?

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Re: Change to AUP - Section (d)

Post by David R » Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:12 pm

Old Flame wrote:
David R wrote:= 256k/512k/1536k,&*maybe* 8192k/ADSL2-user group, 12 am to pm (default) = 12 hours
Just interested to know if you fall into this category or not?
My subscription to Exetel has been based on 8192k-1536k line speeds and typical 62-20 gb's monthly usages in O/P, historically, so yes, I'd well fit the 12 hour category in http://forum.exetel.com.au/viewtopic.ph ... 16#p262906 along with 95% of other users.

In my model, slot option#2 "Swift Kick " < 60gb or only 2x the average with 6 hours freetime-works as a disincentive against some users breaching the 79.5 gb's-the ceiling limit; i.e. most users would not like to be placed on that option.

Repeat breachers would lose all but 2 hours of the Off Peak freezone before being required to pay $ or switch providers...but then, as the 500-gb-user had proven in November these users may well be able to utilize a 2 hours window to still catch 80 or more gigabytes - for a low price that's still attractive.

Schedule '6 Mbps' in the dead of the night and that equals 150 gb-to extreme users.

The process could work in reverse too i.e. cease the high usage for 1 month to be put back on 6 or 12 hours, then only if you'd gamed the system would your service be removed.
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