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UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by neilv » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:39 am

In the recent past I have used the exetel web hosting to test the only two web sites I have ever built. I am declaring my expertese which is not high.

I am going overseas in a couple of weeks and would like to have a tempory web site while I am away to upload text and photos. To this end I have built a simple page and have tried to upload it using the same system I have used in the past... CoffeCup. It asks for the
Host name ....http://home.exetel.com.au
username......fw_neil.vincent
password...... Here I use the password allocated when I registered the website
Port........21

I push connect and get the message "site not found"

What am I doing wrong here?

My second try after reading information on the Exetel web site was to try to up load using my browser.

I typed in
ftp://fw_neil.vincent@home.exetel.com.au
a new window opened asking for a password, I typed the web site password and after a few seconds a message comes up saying I do not have permissions to access this address.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Neil

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Dazzled » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:57 am

I've never seen Coffeecup, which I presume has an ftp client in the suite. For the host name I always use home.exetel.com.au For the user name you need: fw_whatever-your-site-is-lastly-called. Is it (in full) http://home.exetel.com.au/neil.vincent? 21 is the correct port. That should do it, if not, post again and SysAdmin may drop in to help.

If you are using the space as a private file repository, ftp is all you need. There is no need to add any html or scripts or .htaccess to the site unless you wish to permit and control viewing by others.

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by neilv » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:00 am

That worked.
I removed http:// from the host name and I was able to up load.
When I went to view the site a message appeared saying I did not have permission. This may be for the admin.

You mentioned that if I wanted others to see the site I would need to do more.
In the past I just told people the address and they could view the site, has this changed?

Thanks

Neil

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Dazzled » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:32 am

I'm glad that's sorted. Do the files you have uploaded include "index.html" (all lower case), or possibly "index.php"? Without these web browsers will see nothing. If you want to make a travelogue for your friends or any other visitor, you will need an index.html file with links to your photos etc - it needs to contain very little except the headers and a bunch of <a> tags, eg: <a href="me.jpg">Picture of me</a>; or else <img> tags: <img src="me.jpg" alt="me in Paris">

If you want anybody to be able to see and download your files with a web browser, but seeing only a file list displayed by the Exetel server, instead, include in your space a file titled ".htaccess" containing only the line:
Options +Indexes
This option needs no coding skills at all.

If you wish to keep it all completely private, either stay with ftp, or else set up html code and possibly .htaccess for password access only.

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by neilv » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:25 pm

I have uploaded the index page and images.In the future i will have links to photos and other pages.

Unfortunately I am still not able to log in to see the site.

In my browser I type http://home.exetel.com.au/neil.vincent/ and the message reads
You don't have permission to access /neil.vincent/ on this server

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Dazzled » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:38 pm

You probably have a permissions problem. The server runs Linux, and your files would be best if the file permissions were set to (Octal) 705. You will need an ftp client with the chmod command. If yours doesn't use octal commands, set the files as: user/owner=read,write,execute; group=all off; others=read,execute.

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by neilv » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:00 pm

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean or where to do what you have said.

Last time I did this about 6 months ago I basically uploaded the same way I have this time and then logged in and it all worked.

Isn't this an Exetel problem as I can't log into their site, or do I have to change permissions on their/my site.

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Gidget » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:14 pm

Hi neilv

What is the full name of the index file that you uploaded and did you use upper-or-lower-case spelling eg "index.html" or "INDEX.HTML" or something different ?

Remember also that file names in Linux are case sensitive - index.html, Index.html and INDEX.HTML (for example) are NOT equivalent.

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Post by Dazzled » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:22 pm

That was then. I'm afraid you are going to have an introduction to Unix, as the new Exetel arrangements are quite sensitive to file permissions. Files can have read, write or execute permission for each of these user groups - 1 the owner of the files, 2 the owner's group, and 3 all other users. Only the superuser can by-pass this. You will have to ensure that your files, after you copy them to the server, have appropriate permissions. (see previous post)

On a Unix/Linux machine this is accomplished with the chmod terminal command. FTP, as run on the server, is rather similar to running an application in a DOS box. Your graphic ftp client is simulating this terminal-style behaviour. You will need an ftp client that can handle permission changes. Right click on a file and look for a command like "chmod" or "change permission". If it's not there you will need another client.

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by neilv » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:44 pm

Gidget, Dazzled

Thankyou both for your replies. I had used uppercase text for the index file, I changed it to lower case, uploaded and it worked. I can see it!!!!
Can either of you see it??

If so, this will mean that it is available to be viewed by whoever I give the address.

http://home.exetel.com.au/neil.vincent/

When I am in Mexico and I go to my local internet cafe with a USB stick in hand with the latest new pages, will I need to provide a ftp uploader like Coffee Cup or is it easier to use the web browser??

Thankyou to you both for your help, you are obviously have a great understanding of the web, I obviously don't, but if you ever need assistance with your cave diving please ask me.

Thanks again

Neil

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Gidget » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:01 pm

Hi Neil

I can see it - well done :D

Using your web browser would be the simplest way to update it. I just tested mine and it works fine. I'm not sure whether having a "full stop" in the middle of your webspace name will complicate matters though - keeping the webspace name simple (the KISS principle :D ) is a good idea.

Cheers

Gidget

PS Your trip sounds great - now you'll have to start a blog about it (see your User Facilities) as well :lol:
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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by jokiin » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:37 pm

neilv wrote: If so, this will mean that it is available to be viewed by whoever I give the address.

http://home.exetel.com.au/neil.vincent/
yep working here also (I'm outside of the Exetel network at the moment)

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by neilv » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:01 pm

Thanks everyone.

I'll test the web browser method tomorrow night

Neil

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Gidget » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:14 pm

If you want an easy-to-use FTP program, have a look at this one (it's what I use)
http://www.coreftp.com/

This page describes how to install Core FTP onto a USB drive so you can use it away from home
http://www.coreftp.com/docs/web1/flash-usb.htm

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Re: UPOADING WEB PAGE

Post by Dazzled » Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:39 pm

Gidget, I'll take this moment to recommend the best all-round little helper I know of, the Australian-assembled Puppy mini-LInux distro, http://www.puppylinux.org/ This little marvel is only 87megs in total, fits on a usb stick or cd, runs in RAM on near any hardware at blinding speed, and is a complete GUI operating system full of useful applications, including the excellent gFTP client. You can solve a lot of network, ftp, ssh, etc problems with one of these, and you don't really need to know any Unix. It is also secure. I even know a grandmother-figure who has replaced Windows permanently with this.

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