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registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:13 pm
by Dawn
I wish to take out a series of services here,
all at the same time:-
Domain name registration, Domain name hosting, Webspace Hosting, email hosting,

i can't work out if they are separate applications that have to be done in a particular order
Is there a form to do them all at once?

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:22 am
by Dawn
..after 9 views nobody still knows, maybe the nine have never done it and are looking for the same answer too

anyway
after searching and reading the other posts in this forum
i'm starting to think one of the above services is
unnecessary alongside the others, namely the Webspace Hosting

maybe in the next nine viewers, someone can tell me that as well

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:08 am
by James
They are separate applications, please do them all.

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:28 pm
by Dawn
Thank you James for that
it is strange though, because initiating one of them has elements of another within
i'll trust you on it


but my second question; do i need web hosting among the others?
or
if i got hubby to build this for about Au$85;
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_111701/article.html
would i need anything at all?

thanks in advance
~Dawn

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:25 pm
by CoreyPlover
That WiB product means that you can host website from your house, and this could replace the Exetel web hosting, but you'd then have to configure a few additional items (like opening ports, and assigning your IP address to the domain name).

But Exetel web hosting still has advantages such as being faster (home hosted services are subject to the speed of your own connection, whereas Exetel servers have higher throughput) and more reliability (Exetel hosting is available even if your service drops out temporarily). You still need domain name registration and hosting (this gives you an external URL) and email hosting (WiB product doesn't provide this).

In fact, depending on the purpose, you don't even need to purchase the WiB product or Exetel web hosting. It is possible to install an externally accessible web server on any computer for free (Windows machines can have the IIS component installed from the Control Panel, Add / Remove Software / Windows Setup) or you can just download and install Apache. Then, you can register a free "Dynamic DNS" in place of Domain Name hosting to get an externally accessible URL. Open some ports in your router and you're done.

Naturally, I'm glossing over the details, but what I'm trying to illustrate is that there are a whole variety of ways to host stuff online depending on your requirements. They range from free online hosting sites like Google Sites (for ultra simple setup and great for things like photo sharing, etc), free online blogs, paid online sites, free home hosted and paid home hosted. Going down the route of domain name registration and ISP hosted is usually regarded at the upper end of the spectrum, for things like hosted websites for businesses.

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 1:39 am
by Dawn
@CoreyPlover:
good answer McFly

since my last posting and before getting back here, i had already determined that i need DN registration through a Registrar
don't worry Exetel is the one crowd on earth i can trust to do that without wrenching it away after the process. I'm happy to pay a few dollars more. And i'd never bother to look around elsewhere to continue the annual Subscription.
i am assuming that once i get Exetel to do the registration they will 'park' it, even though we may not get them to host it while we decide the next step

and yes we worked out we still need email hosting

it seems my second question was poorly framed..
I know I need Web Hosting, but i suspect WebSpace Hosting is entirely something else not needed.
I don't know why it appears here and there in the (one-by-one) forms.

as to WIB the issue of speed with our own connection is probably going to be the decider.
thank you for pointing it out
Its more a collaboration server, to a handful of current clients / other musicians. no sales dependency etc.
if its down - oh well, we'll have a second built as a standby
if the line is down or, as we live in in a rural area, if a Telstra pit fills with water . . . - oh well too bad so sad - we'll be too happy that it actually rained!
seriously though, there is compelling argument to stay with Exetel on this. Maybe its only a visceral sense of triumph in having a small lunchbox under the eave there do the job while covered in paper wasp nests. We'll probably end up with both in the long run.

Flat not interested in free sites.

Saving money isn't the issue, but as we are slowly converting the recording studio to full solar in low voltage ( that's right - no mains! no inverters all 9v/12v DC'd straight in ), the WIB's power draw is more attractive than anything else ( anyway we're Mac based, and they as yet don't make a Solid State drive 'puter like the Eec, and i can barely spell PC,without the wrigmarole of configurations in that land )

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:01 am
by Dazzled
I read an article months ago about a bloke in a rural part of the US who was running a web server on a solid-state drive Eee attached to a domestic ADSL connection, apparently quite successfully. I presume he fed low voltage directly to it. He'd set up an Ubuntu LAMP server, which comes ready to go. Administration would be a lot easier for him, than it would be on a single board computer like the WiB, particularly if the terminal isn't your scene.

The idea must have caught on, because there has been a lot written before and since, such as http://www.greenhughes.com/content/fun- ... ur-handbag or http://www.tuto-eee.net/en/2009/06/24/c ... rveur-web/ Asus is to release a server version of the Eee, but with a hard drive, though if they have any brains they won't use the dumbed-down "Fisher-Price" (Xandros) operating system ever again - virtually all Linux Eees have been converted to conventional distros, with huge success.

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:57 am
by CoreyPlover
Dawn,

Correct on all accounts. I think something like the WiB is a good option for you (though I've never used one before). It is good because it uses less power than a Mac running 24x7 that has an Apache web server, though I'm not sure that it will provide enough flexibility for collaborative tasks. Such tasks would usually hinge off PHP dynamic code and a backend database of some sort and I'm not sure that device would support this.

You might be interested in http://www.macinstruct.com/node/112. After that, there are scripts that you can copy into the web server to enable features like discussion forums, etc.

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:11 pm
by Dawn
all good then
we'll be leaving WIB for the moment as by the time we get all that built and sorted
we'll have lost valuable time in the use of a Domain. Maybe a toy to play with later
for a secondary domain

so
i'll sally forth, and if i see something other than what i'm focussed on, i'll just "Use the Force" and ignore
i'll post up the result as a public service for the benefit of any future searches
:D
~dawn

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:33 pm
by Dawn
done
i think, the page stopped loading on the submit confirm process

first the only entry into this process that i could find
was this diminutive little link in an odd link colour
Image
http://s742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65 ... cture3.png
really fellas
the signaling of what one is about to enter into should be
commensurate with the visual cues. Bang the drum.


next when i did find the object it referred to
the wording was different
Image
http://s742.photobucket.com/albums/xx65 ... cture5.png

you'd think any internet company in the broad realm of communicating
could actually communicate themselves?

i'll tell you more when i know more

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:00 am
by JeremyP
To order Domain Name Registration, simply log into your current ADSL User Facilities then go to "Hosting Services" then "Order or Manage Domain", on this page then click "Order Domain Registration".

You then do the same as above except choose "Order Domain Hosting" for Domain Name Hosting.

Website Hosting & Email Hosting should be straight forward enough aswell.

Re: registering for all services in one place. . .

Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:00 pm
by Dawn
JeremyP wrote:To order Domain Name Registration, simply log into your current ADSL User Facilities then go to "Hosting Services" then "Order or Manage Domain", on this page then click "Order Domain Registration. . . .".
Thank you Jeremy, this is what i had already reported i had done
I eventually got a confirming email (whew)

i think for the next steps you speak of i'll talk to a human at the phone numbers listed before i initiate
and that would be my advice to any onlookers at this point

thanks to all