Possible Change To Off Peak Period

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Daybreaker
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Daybreaker » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:15 am

vk3xem wrote:
It won't happen, the reason this was brought up in the first place was because the leachers all get on at midnight and drag the network down to a crawl with P2P downloads. The idea was to push it back to 2AM when less people are online using interactive applications like VoIP, browsing and gaming.

If it was moved to start a 10PM the problem become even worse because more pronounced because even more people are browsing, gaming etc. not being able to make use of the net because of the leachers!
I resent being called a leecher, I'm a shift worker & can't/don't access the net until midnight.

scottdawkins
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by scottdawkins » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:00 pm

I would prefer to keep the existing midnight - midday system

it allows me to start slow / larger downloads before bed, and stop them before I go to work.

Stryker3216
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Stryker3216 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:39 pm

This thread is basically Leachers vs Everyone else. :roll:

I find it extremely annoying when i try to use the internet past 12pm and all of a sudden it just doesn't want to keep up too speed because of the other traffic on the network.

P2P Shaping is also another aspect exetel might want to look at.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by CoreyPlover » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:48 pm

Stryker3216 wrote:This thread is basically Leachers vs Everyone else. :roll:
It's not actually.

Those people who download large amounts (let's call them "leechers" for argument's sake) clearly have the knowledge to schedule downloads and P2P programs, so a shift in times doesn't make any difference to them. In fact, a recent protocol graph (http://forum.exetel.com.au/viewtopic.ph ... 31#p242331) shows that bandwidth utilisation is highest at about 3am and midday (and drops quickly at midday). This thread is mainly about people who wish the off-peak period to change or stay the same depending on their natural usage between midnight and 2am, or midday and 2pm.
Stryker3216 wrote:P2P Shaping is also another aspect exetel might want to look at.
P2P *shaping* isn't really optimal. Exetel already use P2P *deprioritisation* at all times of congestion (mainly off-peak) so that P2P only utilises the bandwidth when other protocols (HTTP, etc) don't need it. More importantly, Exetel use P2P caching to free up external bandwidth.

terezin
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I vote for 2am to 2pm!

Post by terezin » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:53 pm

I would definitely prefer adjusting the offpeak time period to 2am to 2pm.

I would be very happy if this was to happen!

Thank you Exetel for having the respect in it's customers to ask their opinion!

Regards,
Happy Customer!

:D

G00f
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by G00f » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:57 pm

Sorry, I've only read some of the pages before this one, but in my opinion I'd like 12-12 in LOCAL time. (I didn't realise when I signed up that it is 12-12 EST -my bad.) So for my vote from the options we have is 2am - 2pm as that'd give me 12-12 in WA most of the time. :)

Stryker3216
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Stryker3216 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:01 pm

CoreyPlover wrote:
Stryker3216 wrote:This thread is basically Leachers vs Everyone else. :roll:
It's not actually.

Those people who download large amounts (let's call them "leechers" for argument's sake) clearly have the knowledge to schedule downloads and P2P programs, so a shift in times doesn't make any difference to them. In fact, a recent protocol graph (http://forum.exetel.com.au/viewtopic.ph ... 31#p242331) shows that bandwidth utilisation is highest at about 3am and midday (and drops quickly at midday). This thread is mainly about people who wish the off-peak period to change or stay the same depending on their natural usage between midnight and 2am, or midday and 2pm.
Stryker3216 wrote:P2P Shaping is also another aspect exetel might want to look at.
P2P *shaping* isn't really optimal. Exetel already use P2P *deprioritisation* at all times of congestion (mainly off-peak) so that P2P only utilises the bandwidth when other protocols (HTTP, etc) don't need it. More importantly, Exetel use P2P caching to free up external bandwidth.
Deprioritisation, Caching and Graph looks like it makes an effect on paper, but personal experience says otherwise. Sluggish speeds after 12pm are a result of Off Peak downloaders. (atleast i dont see any other reasons I that this occurs?)

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by CoreyPlover » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:15 pm

Stryker3216 wrote:Deprioritisation, Caching and Graph looks like it makes an effect on paper, but personal experience says otherwise. Sluggish speeds after 12pm are a result of Off Peak downloaders. (atleast i dont see any other reasons I that this occurs?)
The caching has a direct effect on bandwidth utilisation - see http://steve.blogs.exetel.com.au/index. ... Boost.html.

The effect of the deprioritisation (and the caching) might differ due to which state you are in. For example, I think only Sydney terminated services hit the cache and I'm not sure how Exetel deal specifically with deprioritisation on each state independently of the others.

One thing I think might explain things is exchange congestion. Exetel can only do deprioritise traffic when it reaches them and exchange congestion could explain why different people have varying experiences in the post midnight period (I, for instance, can get 500KB/s-1Mbps HTTP speeds post midnight without issue).

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by psalm23 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:57 pm

I am in favour of off peak from 2am to 2pm. For this period you will have more of the off peak time when you are up and in the daylight. You can also monitor your downloads when there is dropout in the connection.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by vk3xem » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:47 pm

Daybreaker wrote:I resent being called a leecher, I'm a shift worker & can't/don't access the net until midnight.
If the cap fits, wear it! If you religiously start downloading at midnight every night and just walk away from the computer then you are by definition a leacher as you have no regard for the impact of your actions on other users!
The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM

mrDabolina
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by mrDabolina » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:50 pm

You people viewing all those http pages are leechers who should consider the poor p2p users who suffer a speed drop from all the post you make complaining.

The internet is there to be used. If it gets too slow we build more. The manner of its use is no ones business but the person using it. By the rational of those who label others leechers the internet was fine 15 years ago and if everyone else would just go away it would be all sunshine and rainbows.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Beaso » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:55 pm

Personally, I'm against the changes.

I currently have my downloads scheduled for full speed from 12mn to 6am then throttled to ~50% untill midday when they are halted. The reason for this is to minimise my downloads interfering with my normal usage, browsing VOIP etc. To change the off peak period to 2am to 2pm will reduce my full speed time by 2 hours and will increase my reduced speed period by 2 hours. Thus a net loss of downloading.

Even if this change goes ahead, I will not be leaving. I believe this will still leave Exetel as one of, if not the best value for money ISPs around.

EDIT: to all those who consider downloaders 'leeches'. Move to an isp that does not offer off peak downloads.

Warning analogy time... :D
If you had a mobile phone plan that offered 10 free calls a night from say 8pm to midnight, and that was a benefit that attracted you to that phone company, would you be considered a leech if you used all of the free calls you were entitled to??

IMO If Exetel advertise a certain amount of data available for a set price, then noone has the right to start name-calling those who utilise it.

EDIT 2: Yes this is my first post, it is also the first time I have received anything from Exetel that wasn't a bill. :)

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by vk3xem » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:10 am

mrDabolina wrote:You people viewing all those http pages are leechers who should consider the poor p2p users who suffer a speed drop from all the post you make complaining.
Haha, that is a joke opening a web page takes little bandwidth and then nothing while it is read. P2P is a continual bandwidth intensive process that take place while you are fast asleep, having no regard as to how it slows down interactive users that are sitting at the computer. Take VoIP phone calls for example, on the stroke of midnight P2P leachers appear out of nowhere and drag the Internet down to a crawl whilst they sleep in bed making calls almost impossible.
mrDabolina wrote:The internet is there to be used. If it gets too slow we build more. The manner of its use is no ones business but the person using it.

No public network, be it the PSTN, mobile phone or Internet is designed for 100% usage at any given time. Compare the midnight P2P leaching with New Years Eve, how long does it take to make a call then or for an SMS to be delivered?

I personally don't give a damn what PORN or WAREZ you are downloading via P2P, the problem is EVERY P2P leacher comes out to play at the stroke of midnight, dragging the Internet to a crawl. That is LEACHING, plain and simple.
mrDabolina wrote:By the rational of those who label others leechers the internet was fine 15 years ago and if everyone else would just go away it would be all sunshine and rainbows.
15 years ago there wasn't P2P LEACHERS downloading large amounts of PORN or WAREZ!
The views I present are that of my own and NOT of any organisation I may belong to.

73 de Simon, VK3XEM

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by austdata » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:18 am

mrDabolina wrote:... The manner of its use is no ones business but the person using it. ...
You might want to explain that to Messrs Rudd and Conroy. :wink: Hmm, however I think that's being covered in another topic.
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by benthomas » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:36 am

Please please change the off-peak time to 2am. This slowness at midnight onwards is unbearable, I can't even stream a You Tube video properly or any other basic internet function.

Thanks.

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