12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by rusty100 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:05 am

ForumAdmin wrote:As we fore shadowed some 6 - 8 weeks ago the new ADSL2 plans will now have a 12 midnight to 12 noon 'off peak' period from 1/11/09.
Well done. It is good to know that you are looking after our interests

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by Jane’s addiction » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:23 am

Hi Admin

Not sure how all this works but by changing from NAK to NF are you changing wholesale bandwidth suppliers or does ADSL2 all stay with optus.

I was almost swayed into it with the new NF 50/60 but now with the 12HRs thats done it.

Thanks.

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by ozblogger » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:38 pm

So those on old plans and wish to stick with them have to wait till Jan 2010,
or change to new plans and get 12 hr OffPeak from Nov 09 .... hmmm.
decisions decisions ....

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by dbr » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:14 pm

ForumAdmin wrote:
Yoshi_900 wrote:hey guys,

i thought the whole reason for putting the time to 2am for off peak was to fix the problem with bandwidth at 12 midnight... wont shifting the time back to 12 midnight just reproduce the problem?
You should look at the MRTG reports for your location.
My interpretation from an external view of the graphs, together with the 1000+ reply thread, is that there were a large number of people who stayed awake until midnight to start their downloads. I know we can use schedulers (and I don't want to start that argument again). However let's just suppose...

... that there are a lot people in that category ie those that stayed up specifically to start downloads at midnight. Further supposition goes that they may have used the internet (youtube etc) to remain awake, " 'cause that's not downloading! ", which led to the previous high usage past 2200 and up to 2359.

Of course, at the stroke of midnight auto schedulers AND the patient manual starters opened the taps causing the spike and 'midnight lag issue'.

This has diminished now and the peak is clearly finishing around 2200, and the new spike at 0200.

Perhaps more people are trained to use auto schedulers and will retain their use. However I doubt it. I too envisage the 2200 to midnight period regaining its previous popularity - as well as the spike returning to 0001 to 0100.

Disclaimer- my personal use won't be affected. Any downloads have been scheduled from 0200, and 0300 since the change in off peak times.
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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by cjbreban » Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:29 pm

ForumAdmin wrote:We can't restore the 12 - 12 period for the 'old plans' at the moment
Quick question...

Are ADSL1 (added value) plans classified as old?
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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by David R » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:34 pm

It would take some form of a unlimited 12 hour offering to persuade me to move from my ADSL1 (Added value)/2am-2pm accommodation to a No Frills plan, moving past Jan '10 - just some feedback as to my preference.
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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by Gidget » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:05 pm

cjbreban wrote:
ForumAdmin wrote:We can't restore the 12 - 12 period for the 'old plans' at the moment
Quick question...

Are ADSL1 (added value) plans classified as old?
Any plan not currently listed as available on the Exetel website is classified as "old".

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by kenobiajay » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:58 pm

Exetel,

Would you consider throttling P2P during the 12am-2am period?

While I'm very happy to get back my 00-12 off peak, I would still like to enjoy streaming youtube/video around midnight...

Yes we would - we don't regard the speed of P2P in the off peak period as in any way important and are just as happy to have anyone who has a problem with that to use another company's service.

60 gb is a lot of download and many Exetel users seem to be able to do that every month with great ease - whether it is downloaded in one hour or two is completely irrelevent for any reasonable person and unreasonable people should take their business elsewhere.

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Updated Plan Matrix

Post by Ravenous » Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:19 pm

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Assumptions:
- "Free" Off peak allowance is $0 value and allowance not exceeded
- Added value plans have included 100 VoIP landline calls ($10), 30 Web SMS ($2.40), 10 Email2FAX ($1.00) and 10 extra Email addresses
- For ADSL1 Telstra Homeline Budget line rental is assumed at $20.95 p/m
- For ADSL2 BYO plans Telstra Homeline Complete line rental is assumed at $27.95 p/m

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by danielr » Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:57 am

One thing I don't understand.
The off-peak hours has been increased, the quota also has been increased and the excess usage fee has been decreased by half, is that correct?
So it seems to me that not changing plan is a no brainer. Or do I miss something here?!
I was on following plan:

Plan Type: INC2DSLB
Monthly Access Charge: $65.00
Peak Download Limit (Mbyte): 15000
Excess Downloads per Gbyte: $3.00
OffPeak Download Limit (Mbyte): 60000
OffPeak Excess Downloads per Gbyte: $3.00
Service Line Speed: 18000/900

Today I've put order to change my plan to NF/22INCTEL.
So what is the catch? I can't see any disadvantage in new plans and so I think every customer should be automatically put into new plans.

So final question again is, did I miss something?

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by CoreyPlover » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:40 am

danielr wrote:So what is the catch? I can't see any disadvantage in new plans and so I think every customer should be automatically put into new plans.
Loss of some "Added extras" like free VOIP calls and free SMSes. I agree that the new plans are very likely to be better for most Exetel customers but automatic migration is probably not warranted, unless perhaps Exetel email all eligible users to ask if they are willing to sacrifice their added extras

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by danielr » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:53 am

Although I think those added bonuses would still be available to ADSL+PHONE customers, even without them the new plans are still very better in value than current plans.
Half price excess usage ($1.5/GB instead of $3/GB) and 10GB more peak quota worth far more than those extras.
I already ordered the change but I'm still waiting to see is there any catch into it?
It's like the increase of quota for all customers just couple of months ago. They didn't ask every single customer before increasing quota for everybody.
To me it seems the logical choice.

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by CoreyPlover » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:53 pm

danielr wrote:Half price excess usage ($1.5/GB instead of $3/GB) and 10GB more peak quota worth far more than those extras.

It's like the increase of quota for all customers just couple of months ago. They didn't ask every single customer before increasing quota for everybody.
To me it seems the logical choice.
It isn't the logical choice for everybody because some people may, for example, make 100 VOIP calls per month while only hitting 50% of their quota. Therefore migrating them would cause their monthly costs to increase.

The difference to the previous increase in quota is that change didn't increase the monthly costs for any user, and therefore could be universally applied without explicit permission. The new plans give one thing (lower cost / more quota), but take something else away (free calls) and therefore customers can not be forced to migrate.

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by danielr » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:33 pm

I see your point. So for someone like me with few to none VOIP calls and online sms the new plans offer more value with no catch.
Did I get it right?

Thanks for your time and information.

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Re: 12 Hour 'Off Peak' Now For New ADSL2 Plans

Post by CoreyPlover » Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:55 pm

danielr wrote:I see your point. So for someone like me with few to none VOIP calls and online sms the new plans offer more value with no catch.
Did I get it right?
Yes. These plans are clearly advantageous and without any catch for people in your situation (low to no free VOIP calls or free SMSes).

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