Possible Change To Off Peak Period

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jokiin
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by jokiin » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:55 am

vk3xem wrote:
15 years ago there wasn't P2P LEACHERS downloading large amounts of PORN or WAREZ!
I don't believe porn and warez are actually the problem, movies and in particular TV shows seem to be bigger problem these days

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by CoreyPlover » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:47 am

vk3xem wrote:
Daybreaker wrote:I resent being called a leecher, I'm a shift worker & can't/don't access the net until midnight.
If the cap fits, wear it!
Having the disadvantage of being a shift worker and so effectively having peak and off-peak usage switch does not necessarily imply "leeching".

As you alluded to, a leecher is someone who gains benefit at the detriment of others, but the fact is that there is nothing preventing people from utilising their entitled download allowances. Morals prevail in a proportion of the community, which alleviate this "leeching" epidemic somewhat, but I prefer to live in a world (perhaps this is a fantasy world) where the philosophy of "selfism" isn't automatically met with contempt (For example, see here).

This "rational self-interest" that often prevails in today's society can only be countered by targeted incentives and disincentives; with the right technical implementation, "leeching" can (hopefully) be naturally alleviated.

Also, I'm sure mrDabolina's comments (at least the initial one) was an attempt at sarcasm.
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Fengels » Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:58 am

I would not appreciate any change to the current off-peak download times. Waiting til 2am to enjoy the larger downloads would not be acceptable. While it might not induce a churn, it would place another cost in the exetel 'value' equation and just encourage me to look for benefits elsewhere where currently I don't.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by trooper79 » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:01 pm

Yeah, a "user chooses" system would be great. Each user gets to choose their own "off-peak" block of time. Totally customisable - it's the way of the future.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by fallingbackwards » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:07 pm

trooper79 wrote:Yeah, a "user chooses" system would be great. Each user gets to choose their own "off-peak" block of time. Totally customisable - it's the way of the future.
Totally concur, for my usage I would prefer to maintain the current times, or a user customisable setting on a one off basis, as I could see this may be difficult for exetel to implement.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by ForumAdmin » Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:38 pm

We would like to thank everyone who took the trouble to make their views known and to offer some interesting ranges of advice and some innovative suggestions.

Having considered both the advice and the ideas we have reached the following decisions:

1) We will leave the current 12 midnight to 12 noon period as the 'default' for the 'off peak' allowance.

2) Before June 1st we will provide an option for any customer who wishes to do so to select an alternate 'off peak' period for the following month of either 1 am to 1 pm or 2 am to 2 pm.

3) The user can select the 'off peak' time option for any following month at any time before the next month starts and that period will remain until the user decides to change it for the following month.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by paulb » Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:09 pm

ForumAdmin wrote:We would like to thank everyone who took the trouble to make their views known and to offer some interesting ranges of advice and some innovative suggestions.
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Before June 1st we will provide an option for any customer who wishes to do so to select an alternate 'off peak' period for the following month of either 1 am to 1 pm or 2 am to 2 pm.
Superb! I will be among the first to opt for the 02:00 to 14:00 off-peak time slot, simply adjusting my cron entry accordingly. (Actually, I may do that right now!) And on both my home and work systems.

This will enable me to feel more comfortable doing my ("manual" - TNO!) Xp updates any time up to 14:00 (late lunchtime) without worrying about my usage. When I do enable VoIP, it will make me more comfortable using that also as I am generally busier in the mornings. Not that I even approach my usage limits anyway - I might even be able to consider opting down!

My, perhaps limited, reading of this thread suggests that a vast majority of posters are similarly inclined and for much the same reasons. Only two groups seem to say otherwise, the sub-group of "leeches" (which is to say, file downloaders) who are technologically challenged in regards to understanding the use of schedulers, and the nocturnal browsers who apparently want to use their "off-peak" quota to browse video at midnight, but this seems somewhat self-defeating also as they then complain of a slow response due to "everyone else" either "leeching" or doing the same as themselves. So most of the "plain" browsers of such nocturnal affection would seem to prefer to modestly use their "peak" allocation, but retain smart service through the midnight hour.

My own downloading (scheduled by cron) is highly variable, the only regular element being ABC Radio National programs and TV vodcasts corresponding to regular programs. I could just as easily schedule these separately to a later time if it helps the general loading profile. Occasionally I may wish to utilise the whole off-peak quota for a .iso set or a whole (TV) program series, and might then wish to start closer to the strict changeover time. All in all,if most people follow this pattern, traffic should have died down quite well for any given waking time in the morning.

The only explanation that I can imagine for a usage peak before midday, is something odd that I myself do - realise at the last minute that there was some download/ update I really wanted to do, but want it to count in the off-peak quota. This is generally irrational as it usually counts for so little anyway.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by tmodel » Thu Apr 23, 2009 8:55 pm

Hi

I would support the possible change to off peak period. Personally as I don't regularly use the internet between midnight and 2am. Any change that offers expansion to 2pm for off peak usage would benefit my usage. Thanks for offering this suggestion.

Tmodel

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Volans » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:29 am

Yes. That change wouold be useful to me. It would give more more 'on deck' time to use the better rate.
However I wonder why the need to restrict the hours is inflexible. If useage drops off at, say 2200 hrs, why the off peak time can't be 0000 hrs to 1400 hrs.
Just a thought.
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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Lothlorien » Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:09 am

Thank you for listening to us and giving us options. It is very much appreciated! :-)

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by Augh » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:44 am

ForumAdmin wrote: 2) Before June 1st we will provide an option for any customer who wishes to do so to select an alternate 'off peak' period for the following month of either 1 am to 1 pm or 2 am to 2 pm.
This is why I love Exetel, I can always trust them to do the right thing.
I applaud this decision, it avoids anyone from having issues with the change but yet gives everyone the flexibility to choose the later periods. Thankyou Exetel.

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by darkmalice » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:25 pm

Just got the email about the changes from June 1st. I like a few others applaude the decision of Exetel, this is why I selected you as a company you offer flexibility and work with the customers rather than tell the customer 'this is what we think, this is what you'll get'. So Thank you guys and keep up the excellent work and service

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by kvan64 » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:27 pm

This will be bad if you are working during work hours because you get home after 2pm and normally have to go to bed before 2 am. You would have no chance to use the off-pick allowance. A big NO for me and anyone who are working during work hours :(

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by cher » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:41 pm

Excellent result Exetel, users gets to choose.

Cher

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Re: Possible Change To Off Peak Period

Post by waratah » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:52 pm

While I applaud Exetels egalitarian decision making process, I think they've missed solving the problem that this change was meant to address; the 12 o'clock slowdown. The majority of the objectors to this change were the heavy downloaders who wanted to start their downloads at the stroke of midnight; the very same people who are the cause of the problem. How many of those do you think will opt for a later off-peak period?

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So I need to re-ask the question: why can't we get some better QOS going so that web/video/voip/etc gets priority over p2p?

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